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  • Kickstarter : The greatest video gaming scam of 2012

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    Catchy title hey? Recently there was a post in the Muslim Gamer forum about the scams that people are running on Kickstarter to take money off of the many willing to support up and coming games and various other projects. The discussion ended up moving over to the Muslim Gamer Teasmpeak yesterday where we discussed whether Kickstarter really had any benefit to gamers. I was going to leave it at that, till I saw another press release in my inbox with yet another title asking for money. Another waste of money, another bunch of gamers flying towards the bright neon light of a fly zapper I thought to myself…

    If you’re wondering what is WMD – World of Mass Development you can check out our article from the Game Developers Conference?

    Lets get a few things out the way first. I can understand Kickstarter has a place and can be beneficial in SOME scenarios. But to me it seems like its the latest craze in Nigerian Prince scams. Not in the sense that you dont get anything back for your money, as in almost every case, you get the product\game that you are supporting back when its released. The part that really bugs me is the fact that Kickstarter projects for games are basically a way of gamers funding the developer to buy a new house or that Porsche that they always wanted, while giving nothing back to the gamer that has supported\taken the risk for them in the first place.

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    Before you begin frothing at the mouth and screaming in the comments section that you do infact get something back, the game itself, calm down and let me explain.

    When I look at Kickstarter gaming projects, I see that I can put my hard earned money into the game and in return, I get a copy of the game once it is released. To some this is great as you are getting a game that may not have seen the light of day otherwise, but to me its a scam. The reason being is that I am essentially playing the role of an investor and in today’s world, in any industry, in any scenario, an investor becomes a part of owner of sorts. If the investment succeeds, you make money with them, if it doesn’t then you take the risk of losing money with them.

    Kickstarter projects essentially dump all the risk onto the investing gamer and give all the benefits to the developer. If it succeeds, the developer makes all the money and the gamer gets the resulting game, if it is a shoddy game, the gamer gets the poorly developed game and the developer still makes all the money. Win win for the developer either way.

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    In my opinion this is where the WMD – World of Mass Development model is so much more appealing. You get the opportunity to invest in the game and if it is succesful, you get the game and make some money on top of it. For example with Project C.A.R.S, if you invest 100 Euros in the game, you not only get the game, but if it is successfull, you get 400 Euros back, making a profit.  Where as with Kickstarter, you dont invest, you essentially donate or pre order the game. Sometimes for much more than the game will actually be sold at Retail for post launch. The gamer is basically taking the risk out of development for the developer and piling it onto the gamer. The gamer puts their hard earned money into the game, then without any idea of how the game will actually turn out, the developer reduces their risk to zero (if their dollar goal is met). They have essentially made in some cases millions of dollars of sales and have already paid the mortgage off on their house, made the profits and provided what they would have provided anyway to the gamer, a game. During all this, Kickstarter themselves have made a few hundred thousand dollars in fees too for doing pretty much nothing.

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    The point that some make is that unless I along with others, invest in the Kickstarter project , I wont see the game that I want to see being made. Well if you are that crazy about a game, accept the fact that you are essentially taking the risk away from the developer so that they can drive that new Porshce and pay off that mortage and you get a gfame in return for your “investment”, then there really isnt much I can say to that. Its your money, you can flush it down the toilet, send it to that guy that emailed you about the 64 million dollars that is ready to be transferred to you or send it to kickstarter.

    Where I would prefer to see gamers push these projects to is “World of Mass Development”, where gamers will actually see a benefit to their investment. Not only will they get the game, the in game character and what ever else the developer has promised, but they will actually be seen as an “investor” and make profits if the game is succesfull.

    I would use World of Mass devlopment rather than Kickstarter, but there are no games on WMD?

    More gamers need to email game projects on Kickstarter and say “Hey, I like the idea of your game and I would like to support you, but not on Kickstarter, if you move to WMD, ill invest X amount of dollars”. If more gamers started doing this, more games would move to the model. If you give money to gaming projects on Kickstarter but then also ask the question, why arent there more games on WMD, im sorry to say, but you are the reason why there arent more projects on WMD.

    Investing in Kickstarter games benefits the developer, not the gamer! They keep the money, instead of sharing profits with the “investors”. Wake up and stop wasting money on Kickstarter! You cant buy games with bad DRM then ask why bad pubslihers keep using bad DRM…

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    I guess if people re worded the Kickstarter thing from “investing in a game” to “donating to a game”, I wouldnt be so annoyed. If you want to donate to a game then so be it. But if more people refused to “donate” to a developer and instead asked them to switch to the World of Mass Development model, where “investing” in the game prior to development would in turn benefit the gamers financially as well as the developer, this latest scam would turn into the latest best thing about gaming.

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    • Thulfiqaar

      … I cannot believe it…. You actually made a post about this? Oh man, I really should counter that by creating a post of mine lol. 
      Listen brother, I am more than happy for the developer to drive a Porsche or Ferrarri or pay off his mortgage if he delivers a game that I want. Why? So that he can continue making it and I won’t even lose sleep over it, to the contrary I am happy for him.I personally would much prefer WMD, but unfortunately no developer with the right mind would go for it, because just think about it…. The developers get to keep 30% of the profit, 70% goes away. If I was a developer I wouldn’t go to WMD, I would go to Kickstarter. 

      Kickstarter is an investment but with the only reward being the game, you however want more than a game, in fact you are more concerned about the money than the game. Me? If you promise to develop a good game like Wasteland 2? I’d say “SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY!” You put more value in to the money than in to the game. You have to remember that this is an individual opinion, for you it might not be worth it, but me personally I think it’s totally worth it. If you disagree, that doesn’t make Kickstarter a scam. And to actually compare it to a Nigerian scam is absolutely ridiculous. The Nigerian scam is an investment where you don’t get anything in return AT ALL, which basically means theft. With Kickstarter you get a game that you love in return. And if you are a gamer like me that has been craving for a proper game like Fallout 1+2 from the very same developers themselves for over 10 years, than you too would be more than happy to fund it. In fact I will tell them “THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR DEVELOPING THIS!”Why would I do that? because let’s face it the publishers won’t fund in these games, because they cater for mass sale instead of for a group of old school RPG lovers. WMD is an absolute brilliant idea but, what you fail to mention in your post is the fact that it only has 1 game in development and that one game is developed by WMD owners themselves. They have been around for a while now, and still nobody has signed up with them. So it’s a sinking ship basically.I for one believe and support Kickstarter, because not only does it create indie developers a chance, they also cater for other stuff hardware etc. etc. 

    • Ashiq A.

      Thanks for the heads-up Gengis. I read the first few paragraphs. You are the man. May Allah put barakah in your efforts (ameen).

    • TheCanadian

      No offense, but there is one major flaw in your logic here: pledging on Kickstarter is not the same as investing. To me, investing in something means that, regardless of how many people invest, if the idea fails or doesn’t get enough money to be completed, you still will lose money. You are taking a risk, and thus, if the project is successful, you’ll end up being rewarded for it. If it fails, you still lose your money anyway. With Kickstarter, no money is taken out of your account unless enough money is pledged for the project to be completed. If I pledge $100 towards something that falls short of its goal, I still get to keep my money and walk away. I am not taking a risk in any way; I am just showing interest in a project and am basically promising to purchase the game if it is successfully funded. That, and I’ll most likely end up walking away with a bunch of cool bonuses. To me, knowing I’m part of something and helping to bring awesome new projects to the market (as well as getting a copy of my own) is enough of a reward to me; I don’t need to be making money off of it.

      • http://www.muslimgamer.com Muslim Gamer

        No offence taken TheCandian :) Everyone has a different view and sees Kickstarter differently. I refuse to fund anything on Kickstarter due to the nature of it. I have no problem with “Kickstarting” a start up or a great idea. Its just the way in which it is done that I have an issue.

        Firstly, Kickstarter itself makes a tonne of money that could go directly to the start up. Why not fund the startup directly but refuse to do it through kickstarter?

        Secondly, there should be tangible benefits to assisting in starting up a business. If it was called “Donationstarter” I would look at it differently, but by nature, a start up should reward those that assist in getting a business idea of the ground. I can see how this looks selfish, but lets be honest, I am essentially putting my hard earned money behind a gen 1 product that could fall to bits 1 month later and have no support.

        The startup on the other hand is getting the money to start their business, make a profit and reduce risk to zero. All the risk is pushed to the donator and all the benefits are with the startup. If this was a friendsrelatives business i would understand. But these are complete strangers that are making a mint with a hugely reduced risk.

        I have changed my opinion slightly since this article has been written and I dont look upon it as harshly as I once did, but in essence, I would still never “kickstart” an idea through Kickstarter unless there were tangibleprofitable benefits to me, the kickstarter.

        Thanks for the comment :)

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