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  • Diablo III – A Muslim, A Christian and A Gamer Walk Into A Game – Part 1

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    We have a had a lot of feedback from both Muslims and Non – Muslims regarding the Muslim Gamer site. Some positive, friendly and encouraging and some quite the opposite. But every now and then I come across a guild\clan\forum or post which reminds me why this site can be beneficial in explaining things and hopefully educating. This particular occasion it was in regards to a post and its replies on Blizzards Diablo III forums.

    This article isn’t about whether Diablo III is an Islamic game or whether it is anti -Islamic, so sorry to disappoint. This article came about from a post I found whilst searching for some information in regards to Muslim guilds and clans in Blizzards upcoming game Diablo III and World of Warcraft. I came across a post on a Christian forum that referenced to a Muslim and Diablo III? How very interesting I thought to myself, the words Muslim and Diablo III in a Christian Forum?

    I began reading through the forum to discover that recently a Muslim Gamer came across a book in a pile of dirt in Diablo III. Unfortunately that book had a very close resemblance to the Islamic holy book, the Quran. Now straight away I can hear a lot of non Muslims say so what? Who cares if there is a book in a pile of dirt? Its only a book! So before getting into the details, allow me to clear few things up.

    Islam places a very high importance on respect. Respect to your elders, respect to your teachers, respect to your parents, respect to those more knowledgeable than you, respect to your neighbors and so on and so forth. Now whether the Muslims you have personally met put these practices into place or not is a different story, but the religion places these requirements on each and every Muslim, so if you don’t see it being practiced by a Muslim, blame the person, not the religion.

    At the very top of the respect list comes religious people, objects and of course, Allah (SWT). For example, without Wudu (a cleansing act you perform) you cant touch the Quran or do your daily prayers. To point your feet at Kaba or the Quran is seen as rude and disrespectful, to have the Quran close to the ground or on the ground is also seen as disrespectful, to walk in front of someone praying, to talk out loud while someone is reading the Quran are all seen as things which should not be done. To Muslims its not just a book, to Muslims it is THE book, it is the book sent by Allah through the prophet Muhammed (PBUH) for all. The importance of respecting the Quran, and the above that I have mentioned, plays a large part in our daily actions and life.

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    Kaba

    To try and make this understandable to someone that is a non Muslim, Ill TRY and give a few examples. Lets say you were going to meet the President or the Queen for a formal occasion or to receive an award. Would you go in old clothes and put your arm around the Queen when you met her? Around certain people such as the Queen, there is a certain protocol and respect that is expected, and they aren’t even religious figures. Lets say the Bill of Rights or the Constitution of the United States. Would you expect that to be kept on the floor or used in some degrading fashion? I have a feeling there would be large and numerous groups of people up in arms about the lack of respect shown towards it if it was treated as such.

    Even the lack of games where Americans soldiers are shown to be killed or treated in a similar fashion to how Russians\Chinese\Arabs are portrayed in games also shows there is an invisible line that is not crossed by developers when it comes to certain subjects.

    Lets make this gamer relative. Would you want the Source code of the Valve’s Original Half Life to be printed on toilet paper!

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    Half-Life Series Logo

    To everyone out there, whether Atheist, Christian, Jew, Gamer or Muslim, there are things which each person sees as sacred or respect worthy, something that you would prefer not to be used in a  derogatory fashion. For Muslims, there are several things that we would really appreciate if, developers, publishers and others would be courteous enough to respect. We are used to being portrayed as the evil guys on the nightly news and games, but cant we just draw the line on a few things?

    So a Muslim gamer while looking through some videos and gameplay of Diablo III noticed a pile of books by the ground in a certain scene. Upon closer inspection he notices that the cover of the book has an uncanny resemblance to the holy book of Muslims, the Quran. So he did what any other like minded Muslim would do and he tried to notify the situation to Blizzard by posting on their forums (post has now been deleted “Diablo 3 religious offence notice – Forums – Diablo III”),  The post is below,

    Dear Blizzard,

    As an old fan and player of Blizzard Entertainment, and always supporting your games, I’ve been wondering about an issue been noticed by me and my friends from streaming videos of Diablo III beta (didn’t play it though), from a screenshot attached as follows, there is a strange resemblance between the book highlighted in the pic (Diablo III Gameplay) and the Holy book of Quran (Muslims Holy book).

    The book is one of other books found on the shelves which is interacted with by dropping on the floor and it is also found buried under piles of dirt, supposedly the game (or any blizzard game before didn’t implement something like that) and the game shouldn’t intervene with any impact with religion whatever it is, or giving an offence to any of the known religions by any means.

    Anyway, i suggest removing that texture of that book (of resemblance) before launching the original version of Diablo III and during that beta testing phase.

    Hoping to have a reply from the developers concerning this issue, to avoid any negative influence on Muslim fans and players (or any other religions fans to notice this) to deal with Blizzard games.

    Here is the screenshot I gathered from different video streams:


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    Diablo III - Muslim Holy Book Quran

    When reading through his post, I don’t see how anyone, be it a gamer or game developer, religious or non- religious could or should take offence to his comment. He has pointed out something which the developers may have not even been aware of and had no intention of offending anyone? He posted with good intentions of notifying them and hoping to get the issue rectified.

    Lets fork this into 2 paths from here, Blizzard removes the book resembling the Quran and Blizzard doesn’t.

    If they did remove the resemblance to the Quran, there would be absolutely no change in gameplay, no changes to the story line, no changes to development and no changes to the Diablo III gamers experience. The only changes that I can see would be a graphics artist would work for an extra 5 minutes to change the graphics and there would be a different texture to the one there is now. But that change would result in Muslims no longer being offended and as a result extra revenue for Blizzard.  Now a Muslim that would have refused to buy the game, would be happy to purchase it. Take for example the Witcher 2 incident with the texture of the Sajadaah (Muslim Praying Mat), I went from having no intention of buying  the game to purchasing it to show my support.

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    Witcher 2

    For a non-Muslim, the texture change makes absolutely no difference what so ever to the game they get to play. If you are a non Muslim reading this and want that texture kept in the game, forgive me for my assumption, but apart from actually wanting to offend a Muslim, why would you want it kept in the game? How will keeping that in the game change your experience? Please comment and let me know as I would honestly love to hear your feedback and the reasoning.

    Now if they didn’t change it, the game would still play the same, the game still has the same story line but there is a greater possibility that Muslims worldwide will no longer buy the game and remain offended. Really the only people to lose out our Blizzard as they lose the revenue.

    Scenario 1 seems like a win-win and scenario 2 seems like a bad business decision while offending 1.5 billion at the same time?

    This isn’t about Muslims wanting to impose their beliefs on others. This isn’t about Muslims wanting to take over anything or ruin anything. Its a texture on a book, in a game? I’m a gamer too and believe me, I’m not easily offended. But I honestly am trying to comprehend what argument there is in wanting to keep this in game? More importantly, how removing it from the game would actually change Diablo III for worse? Above I have tried to explain the importance respect plays in Islam, so having what resembles the Quran on the floor in this game, I fail to comprehend why it wouldnt be changed?

    So how did the thread in the Blizzard forums end up? Here are some of the responses from the 15 page thread on the Blizzard forums. The responses from those on the forums were not only against the Muslim but also against Christians and others from different religions,

    Continued in Part 2 here

    Please do not comment on page 1 – I wont respond to it, all i request is you take a few more minutes to read the full article, read other comments and answers I have already given, then feel free to comment on page 2 of this article, thanks!

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    • Thulfiqaar

      I assume it was deleted because of the amount offensive comments from anti-religious idiots. The question however is, what is the action that blizzard has taken or will take against this?

      • MrOffendedByAnything

        I am offended that the witch doctor is black
        I am offended that Leah looks the virgin Mary
        I am offended that the wizard looks Asian
        I am offended that all the characters start half naked
        I am offended when I see zombies in this because I think they are mocking Jesus
        I am offended that the archangel tyriel resembles the messiah
        I am offended that Diablo himself strangely looks like the Devil
        So blizzard needs to remove all these things from the game before they release BECAUSE I am so offended

        • Thulfiqaar

          L O L 

        • http://www.muslimgamer.com Muslim Gamer

          The beauty of my article is that I stand by your right to be offended and to write to Blizzard requesting they take those parts out of the game. the right to do that is a great thing isn’t it?

    • WATCHOUT!Andhaira!

      “Your capacity for being offended is amazing.”

    • Cheeseball2000

      To the writer & all muslims: What does being offended profit you?

      Seriously, all it does is give other people the power to screw
      with your emotions and/or to manipulate you into doing all sorts of stupid things –
      even
      murder. (or blogging :P )

      Also, it makes people not like you. Peace.

      • http://www.muslimgamer.com Muslim Gamer

        Hi Cheeseball,
        Thanks for the comment :)

        I guess you need to look at it as the same way that someone might not like a level in a game or might not like cake because its too sweet and decided to voice their opinion about it. For some reason as soon as religion and likedislike is involved it seems to be more controversial, why I am not sure to be honest, hopefully you can answer that for me?

        No one is demanding anything, from what I can tell, the original poster of the comment on the Blizzard forums requested it to be looked at, I noticed it and decided to post about it. I am hoping my article came across as opinion, request and also asking a few more questions on top of that about the idea of not mixing religion and games at all.

        Have a read of a reply I gave to Peter on page 2 of this article and see if that answers some of your questions? If not please post another comment asking further clarification and ill be happy to give you what ever answers I can.

        Trust me, Muslims dont go out of their way to make enemies and I certainly had no intention of creating an uproar, I just voiced my opinion and that’s it. If Blizzard listens and changes it cool, if they don’t, well that’s the end of it.

        • Abeslaga

          “Trust me, Muslims dont go out of their way to make enemies”
          somehow, I dont trust you, looking at situation in Europe and all over the world.
          I also repeat Cheeseball’s question, because I havent seen an answer for it.
          “What does being offended profit you?”

          • Thulfiqaar

            *points at the clearly mentioned quote in the article*
            Please do not comment on page 1 – I wont respond to it, all i request is
            you take a few more minutes to read the full article, read other
            comments and answers I have already given, then feel free to comment on
            page 2 of this article, thanks!

    • nope

      “would you want the source code of Half-Life to be printed on toilet paper?”

      the difference between you and me is that I understand that the medium an idea comes through has no impact on the idea.

      also I’m not a crazy religious person but that’s a different issue

      • http://www.muslimgamer.com Muslim Gamer

        Hi Nope,
        Firstly thanks for the comment. Im not sure if you commented on page 1 because you couldn’t make it to page 2? Hopefully you got a chance to read the whole thing so you could make an informed comment and see answers to other questions. I wonder if all the negative comments are on page 1 for a reason….

        In regards to your comment around the HL source code, I decided not to add /jk or a smiley face to the end of that comment as I assumed most people would understand that its meant to be sarcastic. I should have known better, assumptions are never a good thing.

        As for the crazy religious people, I guess that makes the 2 of us :) seeing as we have the same outlook guess that means we could be friends too! What are you doing on Thursday?

    • MJP

      Hi Muslim Gamer

      Let me get this straight: you claim that not only the quran itself (the text of the book) is holy to muslims – to which everybody will agree, no matter how they feel about islam – and the calligraphy on the cover is holy to muslims (i suppose it’s some form of praise to allah) – a fact every sensible person would understand as well – _but_ that the cover of the book, the layout of the ornamentation if you will, is holy too?
      And that’s all there is to this, a slight resemblence to the overall look of the book cover. No calligraphy. No content what so ever.
      The OP saw this, thought to himself “hey, this looks somewhat like my quran” and got upset. I bet you one can find a plenthora of quran editons having no resemblence to the book in  the screenshot what so ever. I further bet one can find a even more books not the quran that look even more like the book in the screenshot. Quite likely one can find a version of the quran that is a perfect match to the book in the layout. But one will also find a version of the bible, the torah and the talmud looking just the same.
      Seriously, muslims get bad-mouthed right and left, they should not try to see an insult in random graphics in a computer game.

      • http://www.muslimgamer.com Muslim Gamer

        Hi MJP, thanks for the comment. Again im not sure why the comment is on page 1 of the article, but ill assume you got to page 2 read it, then came back to page 1 to comment.

        Ill clarify your comment around the calligraphy first. I dont think I stated anywhere that the calligraphy itself is holy, as calligraphy is just….calligraphy. If it had holy words within it, which you cant tell by the graphics in this particular case, then yes, it would be , but as a general rule, no calligraphy is not holy.

        Where I believe this persons request to Blizzard comes from is the fact that there he sees a resemblance of that book to a holy book, in this case the Quran. He has then requested that it be changed.

        My question to you would be. Does he have a right to ask for that change? If it resembled a Torah, does a Jew have a right to request that to be changed and if it looked like a Bible does a Christian have a right to ask that it be changed?

        Whether Blizzard decide to change it or not is their call, but what I am asking is, does a person have a right to give that feedback back to Blizzard?

        I dont believe they can and they should demand it, but i completely support anyones right to request anything they like from Blizzard. Thats what Beta’s are for and thats what feedback is about. If you wanted you could request that they add 10 more textures of that same book into the game right?

        Then doesn’t someone else have the right to ask for the opposite? Or does the right to give feedback only go one way?

        • MJP

          Hi Muslim Gamer

          Well, it would make sense to have holy words in elaborate calligraphy on the cover of the quran, wouldn’t it ;)
          In reply to your question: yes, he has the right to ask Blizzard to change the texture. He is entitled to free speech. And Blizzard has every right not to change the texture, since there is no degrading or disrespectful connotation towards muslims or anybody else in using that texture.
          Let’s back up to one of your original points:
          “This isn’t about Muslims wanting to impose their beliefs on others. This isn’t about Muslims wanting to take over anything or ruin anything. Its a texture on a book, in a game?”
          Many people will think that you are trying to do exactly that, impose your beliefs on others. You want a texture in a game changed because it looks _somewhat_ like a particular edition of the quran. That’s imposing your beliefs.
          “I’m a gamer too and believe me, I’m not easily offended.” I can hardly think of anything less offending. How would you feel about the issue if Blizzard equipped the book with a tooltip, giving it some obscure name and thereby clearly pointing out that it is not the quran? Would you still be offended? For all we (me at least) know, the book could have such a tooltip. Your being offended is based on the assumption that this book could be the quran. I guess many people have the feeling that you are searching for offense to take, rather than taking an offense given.
          “But I honestly am trying to comprehend what argument there is in wanting to keep this in game? More importantly, how removing it from the game would actually change Diablo III for worse? Above I have tried to explain the importance respect plays in Islam, so having what resembles the Quran on the floor in this game, I fail to comprehend why it wouldnt be changed?”
          The book on the floor does not resemble the quran. No more than any other book on that floor resembles the bible.
          And removing the texture would be a minuscule change to the game itself, maybe making the scene a little more dull and uninteresting to the eye. But it would change the game for the worse because it would curtail the artistic freedom of the designers. You wrote about the role of respect in islam. What about the respect for the artist and his work? He has the right to publish his work, you have the right not to be insulted. And in this case, Justitia’s scales are clearly tipped to Blizzards favor.

    • Yaro

      Sacrifice your creative integrity to maybe possibly not offend someone somewhere until they get offended by the next thing and you sacrifice that as well and and and Alright.

    • Nix

      “Lets make this gamer relative. Would you want the Source code of the Valve’s Original Half Life to be printed on toilet paper!” That would be pretty cool. I’d buy a box of it.

    • MeccaDonalds

      Hi. Allah is either omnipotent or fictional. Either way He is then he hasn’t been hurt by this.

      GAME ON DUDE

      • MeccaDs

        And, I know that as an Unbeliever that this is redundant, but anyway…. God isn’t real. It’s why you never see or hear from Him. I’m not sure why religious people keep getting this wrong…

        • nocommayes

          I fail to understand why you would come to a site entitled “mulsimgamer” with the seemingly sole intention of informing us all that you don’t believe God exists.

          Your first point was a fair one, but you tore it apart by bashing the personal faiths of others.

    • MeccaDonalds

      Actually,  it makes sense the book is on the ground, casually discarded beneath other books and possibly with a light covering of dust. That’s exactly what real demons would do. They might even dog ear the pages out of sheet spite. And that’s why it’s necessary to hack them apart.

      Please return to enjoy Diablo III.

      Regards.

      Tom McDonald
      Diable III Head of Public Relations

    • http://twitter.com/Mistabeen Davy Boone

      nn

    • Hophop

      Tristram Chatedral? 

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Glenn-Hedemann-Petersen/645837596 Glenn Hedemann Petersen

      @OP (The Diablo Guy): Like a few others have asked, and you haven’t replied to.

      How exactly does the resemblance to one of many Quran book covers affect your religion?

      I’m not trying to go against your beliefs or anything like that, but I do think that this is a question you should answer, as I think alot of the posters here are in fact wondering how it will have any effect on your religion in real life.
      Sure the book cover may resemble one of the many covers of your holy book, and you find that disrespectful, I can see that. But many also see it as disrespectful that you want something removed from a game just because of this resemblance.
      By doing this, you’re forcing your belief on them, which may result in more and more things being removed just because they slightly resemble holy objects.

      Respect is a two-way street. If this book were to be mentioned as the Quran, and you had to go destroy the book or something like that, sure, I’d agree with you that it was a bit offensive.
      But no, none of this is true, it’s just a resemblance. 
      So please, just answer the question. How does this affect your religion in any way?

      Peace!

    • GilGameshN1

      Tell me one thing ? 

      You worship a God Or Book ? 

      If the answer is Book , then you are just some Satan worshiper in every way … Retards

      Hope one day i can see some people stop killing each other for some book … God himself will be ashamed of creatures like you all that make Humans so stupid … Ahhh

    • Chaosritter

      To get this straight: you’re a muslim and yet you bought The Witcher 2, a game full of sex and dark magic?

      Admin Edit: I am unable to talk without swsearing.

      • http://www.muslimgamer.com Muslim Gamer

        I realise you have trouble with comprehension otherwise you wouldnt have posted on page 1 of the article, but as i feel sorry for you Ill clarify the reason why i purchased the game Witcher.

        They had the decency to remove things from the game that some found offensive. So I thought I would purchase the game to show my support to CDProjekt. Just because I purchased it, doesnt mean I have to play it. Plus I am assuming, if i ever did play it, then I can only assume that you can play the game without choosing options which would lead to the above. I dont know, because I havent played the game through to know

        • Chaosritter

          If you’re referring to the US version: only the naughty bits got covered, the amount of sex, violence, alcohol and black magic remains unchanged. Every other version is fully uncensored.

          And do you really wanna tell me you bought a game you would never play because it contradicts your religious believes just to support the people who made it? Do you think the people who read this are imbeciles?

          And I didn’t swear, I have just pointed out the fact that your religious concerns seem to be pretty selective. But I’m hardly surprised you’re trying to manipulate the replies in your favor.

      • JohnBHammer212

        I agree,
        Why would a Muslim buy a game called “diablo.” A game full of blood, gore, evil, demons, and scantily-dressed women. Oh and drinking. And sorcery/witchcraft. And going down to the depths of Hell….. Are you even allowed to say the word “Hell?”

    • Saozparz_Persia

      Admin Edit: I love this site and I wish Muslims all the best.

    • JohnBhammer212

      Why would a Muslim buy a game called “diablo.” A game full of blood, gore, evil, demons, and scantily-dressed women. Oh and drinking. And sorcery/witchcraft. And going down to the depths of Hell….. Are you even allowed to say the word “Hell?”

      • Thulfiqaar

        So you posted here first, which means you clearly didn’t read the whole article. Specifically the part where it said ‘Please do not post on page 1′. You then realised that you did that, so you just copied and pasted your rhetoric questions on page 2. 

        If you don’t even bother reading the whole article, then don’t expect me to answer any of your questions. And that goes for every person that posted (and will post) on Page 1.

        • JbJb1643

          Nice doge. “obviously you didn’t read the whole article, so your questions are not valid so I will not take the time to answer them”……….
          but you did take the time to replay on this post….. lol.

          • JbJb1643

            *replie*

          • JbJb1643

            reply* lol

          • Thulfiqaar

            I said I won’t answer your questions, and I haven’t. I never said anything about not replying. 

            Here you go this might help: http://www.dummies.com/how-to/content/lsat-reading-comprehension-tips.html

          • JbJb1643

            Lol…. and you reply to this post once again…….. :)

          • JbJb1643

            you take the time to reply… but not answer any questions. lol :)

    • JohnBhammer212

      Why would a Muslim buy a game called “diablo.” A game full of blood, gore, evil, demons, and scantily-dressed women. Oh and drinking. And sorcery/witchcraft. And going down to the depths of Hell….. Are you even allowed to say the word “Hell?”

    • JohnBHammer212

      In face, just by looking at screen shots and websites of the game “diablo” you might be in some trouble………!

      • JohnBHammer

        fact*

    • JbJb1643

      And I wonder if the game “diablo” will even be allowed to be sold in stores in Muslim countries….

    • JbJb1643

      I wonder if Diablo3 and Witcher will end up on these lists and others, considering they are far more darker with sinful content.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_banned_video_games#Saudi_Arabia
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_banned_video_games#United_Arab_Emirates

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ahmad-Baba/100001539530108 Ahmad Baba

      i Think blizzard of Diablo 3 game that we see about Holy Quran book that Diablo 3 of blizzard em mean not bad for us or not too talking shit about us… Without em mean for to people feel that game is real action or maybe have some people work in Blizzard em are muslim and em love Allah….. But there when we look the was not yet destory book….

    • B246536

      I would just like to say that  I have seen things in some games that I found offensive to my personal and religious beliefs. I did not contact the game developers and ask them to change the things I do not like, because I know that the game is made for a huge audience, and that would be selfish and a bit egotistical of me.

    • Yazshunnar

      I was wondering if this issue was every brought to Blizzard’s attention? I will be doing so but would prefer to play D3 as soon as possible, and such was wondering if the situation has changed?

      • http://www.muslimgamer.com Muslim Gamer

        The image of what could be the Quran has been brought to Blizzards attention but at this stage it looks like it was included. I wont be buying the game but maybe others that have purchased it can confirm?

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Slim-Cef/100003647375623 Slim Cef

      so let’s this stuff from the legacy of kain : soul reaver… i found it on 2002 on playing the game… http://fc09.deviantart.net/fs16/f/2007/174/e/b/Islamic_words_in_Soul_Reaver_by_archnophobia.jpg

    • some guy

      I am unsure what the issue is.  Having books lying around fits within the environment of the cathedral.  A holy book lying on the ground is also symbolic of the theme of a game like Diablo.  Perhaps for you to see a Quran lying on the ground is upsetting but it fits within the context of the game and I don’t think it was done in a disrespectful way.  In my opinion it could have been a tool to add back story.  What would a holy book of all books be doing on the ground?  Perhaps when the attack came, a person in the cathedral retrieved the book before fleeing, but was caught on their way out.  Or maybe it came to rest there as the minions trashed the cathedral, knocking over shelves.

      There are many possibilities for how the text ended up where it is, and most of them make sense in a context other than Blizzard intended to create controversy.

      Just my thoughts on this.

    • Logan

      I am of the mindset that we can and should respect each other and each others beliefs within reason. That being said, subjecting everyone who is trying to tell a story to evey stricture of every religion would result in a world were we would be unable to say or do much of anything without stepping on some else’s religious laws. There is of course a line between being blatantly provocative and simply trying to tell an inclusive story. I think that blizzard erred on the side of the later. It makes sense that given a bunch of hellspawn are invading the world that some holy books would be desecrated in a fashion. If you want to be offended by anyone, be offended by the demons responsible for soiling the Quran-like book. It is afterall, fairly unreasonable to expect demons to respect a holy book, unless the book has the power all by itself to command respect from all creatures.

    • Berkay

      Is it sinful to play it? :S

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