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    Re: Graphics Critique Group

    Postby thulfiqaar » 25 May 2012, 03:24

    Lol I love step 6! thanks aLeena_XD
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    Re: Graphics Critique Group

    Postby Maaysi » 25 May 2012, 04:59

    thulfiqaar wrote:Practicing drawing the eyes at work still will finish 1 hour and 20 minutes.



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    Re: Graphics Critique Group

    Postby Kreax » 30 May 2012, 09:01

    I started with aLeeNa_xD method of drawing eyes, then went on to draw the nose, mouth, outline of head, ears, beard, and decided to stop once it got time to draw the hair. I'm not very good at drawing hair...

    Took about 4-6m, I tried to do very little editing and just be okay with whatever comes out (as retarded as it may look)... Thoughts?

    Just for fun, try guessing which eye I drew first. =P

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    Re: Graphics Critique Group

    Postby aLeeNa_xD » 30 May 2012, 11:07

    im gonna guess you drew the left eye first? lol, they both look really identical though! good job :D
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    another thing to add to eyes, is a thin line on the lower lid, usually the line that you would apply kohl/eyeliner to. it gives it a bit more dimension. just as you added the tear duct, you can also make a curved line on the outside of the eye to make it more of a sphere. overall, good job (:
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    Re: Graphics Critique Group

    Postby AbrarSyed » 30 May 2012, 11:13

    You can tell its the left eye by the upper line. It was done in 2 strokes, indicating practice draws and imperfection at first draw. The second one is more confidant with a single dark line above the eye.

    wow dude, nice prespective drawing as well..
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    Re: Graphics Critique Group

    Postby thulfiqaar » 30 May 2012, 11:36

    Wow abrar that's some good observation
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    Re: Graphics Critique Group

    Postby Kreax » 30 May 2012, 14:51

    Thanks for the advice. Excellent attention to detail AbrarSyed lol. Yeah it was the eye on the left (technically the "right" eye =P).

    I drew the right eye slightly bigger than the left, which, in retrospect, makes no sense because the left eye should be closer to us according to perspective. The nose is weird too, but I wanted the shading to be on the left since the glint in his eyes are on the right, indicating a light source. I think I exaggerated the mouth a bit too much, but I wanted to give the guy a smug look, as if he's up to something.
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    Re: Graphics Critique Group

    Postby ashes999 » 30 May 2012, 18:24

    This is getting into the realm of tasweer Kreax. I recommend you go digital to avoid any sort of difference of opinion about this issue.
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    Re: Graphics Critique Group

    Postby KoubaDZ » 30 May 2012, 19:04

    I, too, was quite worried about that ashes, Jazakallah kheir for letting us know.

    ashes999 , do you still have the reference to back up digital drawing? I can't find it :TT-TT
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    Re: Graphics Critique Group

    Postby Kreax » 31 May 2012, 01:05

    ashes999 wrote:This is getting into the realm of tasweer Kreax. I recommend you go digital to avoid any sort of difference of opinion about this issue.


    ashes999, KoubaDZ,

    I am not clear at all about tasweer. Can you explain this concept to me, or post a link so I can better understand what you are talking about?

    What's the difference between digital and drawn? Either way the sketch would have likely been similar, so what does the medium have to do with it?
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    Re: Graphics Critique Group

    Postby ashes999 » 31 May 2012, 01:23

    Oh boy, here we go ...

    Apologies for the long post, the TLDR is if it's digital, it's okay, and if it's not digital, you have a problem.

    "Tasweer" means to make stuff (linguistically). Allah's name, Al-Musawwir, is translated as "the one who shapes/forms stuff." Drawing, painting, clay pots, building a bridge out of straws, oil on canvas, all of this falls under tasweer.

    The problem with tasweer is that pictures of animate beings (that is, humans and animals, real or imaginary) can lead to shirk. This is precisely how shirk started back in the time of Prophet Nuh (alayhi salaam), when some pious people died, Shaytan said "make pictures of them so you remember them and your eman goes up." A couple hundred years later, he comes back, "what are these pictures?" "We don't know, our forefathers left them here." "They are your gods, so worship them." Bingo, shirk 101.

    Before you say "nobody's going to worship my ub3r l33t drawings," it's not about that. There are many ahadith and athaar (narrations of companions) about how the picture-makers will be in the hellfire, etc. etc. -- you can find a decent list here. Notably, one companion said to another, why don't you just draw mountains/trees/etc. instead?

    Solution #1: Draw Inanimate Objects. Avoids the problem entirely.

    Now, a diversion to photography: photography didn't exist in the time of rasulullah (obviously). No ayah mentions it. No hadith talks about it. No ijmaa (scholary consensus) talks about it. Therefore, scholars went to the next proof: qiyaas (analogy to known rulings).

    Some scholars said "taking a picture (oldschool camera) is like cranking a crank and something comes out, therefore, it's like tasweer, and is prohibited." They have a point.

    Some scholars said "taking a picture (new camera) is light rays and exists in bits and bytes, it's not like tasweer, and therefore, is permitted." They have a point.

    I believe, and Allah knows best, that the second group is more correct and stronger in their proofs. Their main caveat is, don't make it physical and hang it up on your wall. Doing so starts down the same road of shirk and definitely glorifies images and makes it tasweer.

    Also notable is the hadith of Aisha, radiallahu anhaa, when she was playing with a toy unicorn. Rasulullah asked, "what is this?" she said, "a horse with wings." He was like, "a horse with wings?" to which she replied something like, "Didn't you know Prophet Dawud (alayhi salaam) had a horse with wings?" and to which he laughed.

    In usool ul-fiqh, laughing, or staying silent, from rasulullah means approval. Therefore, he approved kids toys that are tasweery in nature.

    Solution #2: Make kids toys. I assume you're not married, so lets go to the main point here.

    Solution #3: get marr--er, keep it digital. Solves all the problems, really, and makes your life easy. No need to apply the hadith of decapitating statues by blotting out faces, eyes, etc.

    Wallahu a'lam. As someone keen on game dev in jahiliyyah, I asked many, many shuyookh about this. Finally I said, "Finish the issue, I will ask three and take the strictest opinion of the lot."

    They all gave me the same opinion:

    This is not tasweer. (Drawing stuff digitally.)

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    Are you still reading this? Go back to the TLDR :P

    Oh, one last point: do not try to shoot down the ruling based on your understanding. The methodology of scholars is impeccably watertight, and is sometimes more advanced than we can understand. Just be humble and submit yourself to the opinion of the scholars. That's what we're commanded to do; this is all just extra icing so you can understand what and why this comes from.

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    Re: Graphics Critique Group

    Postby KoubaDZ » 31 May 2012, 02:00

    Jazakallah kheir brother ashes, that was the type of response I was looking for :)
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    Re: Graphics Critique Group

    Postby Kreax » 31 May 2012, 03:01

    Solution #3: get marr--er, keep it digital.


    LOL!!

    Thanks ashes999 I did read the whole thing. I read a little about taswir on my own after your post and lots of questions popped up in my head about the permissability of drawing in general, cartoons, video games... Since all of these include animated human or animal-like images, then they might have fallen under the category of taswir, meaning that some of my interests would have to be rethought.

    I understand the bit about shirk, and definitely agree (not that my agreement matters at all). I was mostly concerned about why my doodle may be considered challenging Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala.

    Anyway, jazak Allahu khayr for sharing your knowledge. I already have a drawing tablet, so keeping it digital is no problem.

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    Re: Graphics Critique Group

    Postby thulfiqaar » 31 May 2012, 04:37

    It's worth noting that the Shia point of view regarding tasweer actually is perfectly fine with drawing faces. As long as it's not of the prophets or the Imams etc.

    I'll see if I can sit down once with either my dad or brother and ask them how it differs and why, because to be honest, I don't have a clue.

    *EDIT the following is my own understanding and I am not even sure if it's true*
    As far as I know not all Sunni have a problem with drawing faces, in fact from what I have been told by other Sunni brothers the majority are actually ok with this. The salafi / wahabi islamic school thought , however of though strictly prohibits it.
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    Re: Graphics Critique Group

    Postby ashes999 » 31 May 2012, 04:49

    thulfiqaar this is not a question of sunni vs. salafi vs. hanafi vs. shia vs. whatever; see the page citing the list of ahadith of rasulullah that I linked in my original post. We all believe in the ahadith of rasulullah, and there are some pretty clear, authentic, strong ahadith on this topic.

    Wallahu a'lam. Most sunni brothers don't know or don't take it seriously (even practicing ones) -- it's pretty common, just like music. The key is understanding the difference of Islam vs. Muslims, where one is law divinely ordained by Allah, the most high, and one is people following whatever limited Islam they want to follow -- taking some and leaving some. (I know that sounds harsh; that's the reality of our ummah today.)
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