New consoles no used games??

[TheVisualante]

Watch on youtube.com

PC gamers please enlighten me about whether this plagues the PC as well?

[Rizwan1]

Salaam Alaikum, I don't think we've spoken before, anyway on PC there are two main platforms for gaming: Steam and Origin with Steam being the biggest and Origin being only for games created by EA. When you buy a boxed game you get the CD and the Product Key. When you install the game you are asked to enter the product key, once you have entered it the game is tied to your account forever. There is no option to sell games which you have redeemed and played (you can activate a code on your account and gift it to someone). The CD you got with the game is now worthless, I attempted to trade in MW3, BF3 and Skyrim (the product keys had all been activated), The trade in value for the games was now £0.03 because anyone who wants to play the game and install with my CD will have to purchase a new product key.

The Pros of Tieing games to accounts:
-The games are your forever, If you lose the disk or you accidently uninstall then you can re-download the title from Steam/Origin
-You don't need a CD to play, Once the game is tied to your account then you can play the game whenever you want, the CD is only required for installation purposes.
-You can play the same games on multiple machines, The game saves can be stored in the cloud so you can start a campaign on one pc and finish it off on another, this is useful if you go to a friends house: firstly you can install the game on his pc and secondly you can login and play your save data.

The Cons of tieing games to accounts:
-If you don't like a game your stuck with it because you can't get refunds or trade-ins.
-If your account gets banned for doing something wrong then you can't access any of your games. (The only way you can get around this is if you bought a boxed copy, you might be able to install a patch/crack allowing you to carry on playing.
-You can't play your games abroad, Because i live in England i would be able to play my games in any nation which has the PAL standard, If I went to American/Asia then I wouldn't be able to play my games (unless i had gone into Offline Mode whilst i was in England)
-If you don't have an internet connection you can't play your games ( You need to be connected to the internet to play your games unless you connect to internet whilst Origin/Steam loads and then disconnect, If there are any patches/updates for the game then you can't play until they are downloaded.

[AhmadSA]

What if all that is true BUT games are much cheaper? I didn't hear any statements about game prices.

Who am I kidding games are only going to be more expensive

Let's hope these rumors are just rumors...

[TheVisualante]

Wa alaikum alsalam Rizwan1

Jazakallahu khair for that detailed explanation.....man what happened to the old days of games...My God it's like we're trapped in this cycle of exposure lol. So it's more tied to your account not the PC itself...but I assume you can only be logged in to your acocunt one PC at a time which would make it the same thing, you wouldn't be able to play say BF3 while you lend your friend MW3

[TheVisualante]

What if all that is true BUT games are much cheaper? I didn't hear any statements about game prices.

Who am I kidding games are only going to be more expensive

Let's hope these rumors are just rumors...

I thought about that, but I doubt it would be cheaper because of the technology employed. If they are much cheaper then maybe...but thats a big maybe...or if for some reason the tech is so out of this world that it justifies a move like that.

[Rizwan1]

The games wouldn't be cheaper because all of the costs are still there. They still have to ship the game across the world, they still have to advertise and they still have to pay the employees.

I own an Amazon Kindle and on the store the ebooks are really cheap compared to buying a paper copy, this is because only one person is involved in making the book (The Author), shipping is done via the internet and so the only costs involved are advertising and the publishers fees.

[thulfiqaar]

First of all, Excellent video and I completely agree.

Second:
Actually Rizwan you are wrong in saying that. On the PC you have the freedom to do whatever you want. There are A LOT MORE than just steam and Origin.
- Amazon has DRM free and that means you can download it on any pc and as many times as you like.
- Gamersgate has many DRM Free games.
- GOG only has DRM Free games.

There are so so many more. You should know this as Gengis keeps going on about it. I am a PC gamer if I choose to use Steam it's because I know what I want and I know I won't be giving it to anybody else.

I do however have a PS3 and I buy the games and if I don't like it, I sell it and buy something second hand. I haven't got one new game on my PS3 they are all second hand because the prices are ridiculous compared to the PC. In fact even on second hand they are ridiculous compared to the PC.

The PC will always be better when it comes to DRM (Download Rights Management) and cheaper when it comes to pricing as well. The PC is cheaper compared to the consoles, because the amount of money you spend on the console for the controllers and all the accessories and games will add up to being more expensive than the PC. If you know how to build your own computer you will always get things cheaper.

Having said that, I CHOOSE to use Steam, Origin, Gamersgate and Amazon. Most of my games are on steam, but does that mean that I accept the limitations provided in the new console? Absolutely not, I am the one making the choice, they will not make the choice for me. I refuse to buy any console that ties ALL games to one account.

The console for me is a casual thing for me, when friends or family are over we play a bit of street fighter or something and maybe they want to bring their own games over to play. That is the freedom of console.
I grew up on the Nintendo, Super Nintendo and Sega Mega Drive. I used to trade games and borrow games on a regular basis with my mates. That's the best thing about having a console, if you take that away... you will have nothing left if you ask me.

I outright REFUSE to buy the console if it has that limitation. I am 100% with TheVisualante I would rather play old school only games like the ps3 and super nintendo and stuff then buy any of the locked down ones.

[Rizwan1]

Dude, I said two MAIN gaming platforms.
Apart from that I agree with most of what you said.

[thulfiqaar]

Dude, I said two MAIN gaming platforms.
Apart from that I agree with most of what you said.

true, but it came across as if you don't really have much choice, which is what I tried to clarify. I may have chosen the wrong words though. I should have said, you are sending the wrong image across, rather than you are wrong

My apologies

[Rizwan1]

Dude, I said two MAIN gaming platforms.
Apart from that I agree with most of what you said.

true, but it came across as if you don't really have much choice, which is what I tried to clarify. I may have chosen the wrong words though. I should have said, you are sending the wrong image across, rather than you are wrong

My apologies

Apology Accepted... I Suppose