Zelda - Skyward Sword

[Mexxan]

So who's getting it?

I know it looks light compared to Skyrim - but as you all know it's a whole different kind of RPG.

I've been playing Zelda since around '91 and this looks like it takes it to a whole different level - time to dust of the Wii.

Can't wait!

[roketfiq]

If I had a Wii or could sacrifice some of my manhood for one - Id get this game, twilight princess, all the Marios, and a few other of the Wii's best games. Otherwise...I dont see it ever happening. lol as good as it might be.

[thulfiqaar]

I've always liked the zelda games but for some reason I don't feel drawn to my Wii anymore. I might feel nostalgic in a while and start playing it again but i just don't see it happening anytime soon.

[gengis]

I misssed out ont he whole nintendo thing. Do you guys think playing Ocarina of time on a emulator is stealing the game?

[thulfiqaar]

Dunno to be honest. I thought emulators and roms were legal... are they not?

[Fadi]

Dunno to be honest. I thought emulators and roms were legal... are they not?

IANAL but I have worked summarizing cases... In the U.S. it's an iffy area.

The emulator itself is perfectly legal, assuming there's no copyrighted code used.. The bios many emulators use however is a gray area.

Downloading the bios would be considered copyright infringement. After the DMCA, extracting them yourself is... questionable.

The are two cases of particular interest are the decisions in both Sony Computer Entertainment v. Connectix Corporation, 203 F.3d 596 (9th Cir. 2000) and Davidson & Associates v. Jung, 422 F.3d 630, 633 (8th Cir. 2005).. These two are interesting because of one factor: Connectix did not violate Sony's EULA as there was no specific mention against revserse engineering thus the decision of the 9th CC was to allow them to continue under fair use... IE the bios were extracted by owners of the console, without profit for the extraction of said bios, and they were not provided by Connectix for download. The second case relating to BnetD which was a Battle.net emulator, however did violate Blizzard's EULA and was essentially that creating an emulator which violating clauses against reverse engineering, and that distributing that product, was considered a violation of the DMCA.

The EFF has a nice summary of both of those cases and more: https://www.eff.org/issues/coders/rever ... g-faq#faq5

Under the DMCA, roms (or ISOs in the case of Wii, Gamecube, Playstation, Dreamcast, etc.) would fall under the same restrictions as other digital media such as games or software.

Of course, the legal precedent I've mentioned doesn't apply elsewhere. The EU Copyright Directive is quite similar to the DMCA though and if I remember correctly has similar provisions regarding reverse engineering that I would image put it into the same gray area? Though I have no idea where to even to start checking to see if that's the case or where other nations stand on the subject.

[thulfiqaar]

Fadi... Man... that's some heavy research. What do you work as again?

[Fadi]

Fadi... Man... that's some heavy research. What do you work as again?

At one point I worked in a law firm summarizing and researching cases... The research portion was very simple, assuming you can make sense of legalese.

For the most part it consisted of using Google to find potential cases, looking them up on the Oyez or Westlaw databases and then summarizing them. For the last few years during period of extended unemployment (about 3 years now... the job market here is abysmal unless you go into a career field) and during that time I've been getting a degree in criminal justice with the intent to start applying for jobs with local law enforcement agencies when.

And on that note, I have a paper on the conditions and procedures of executing search warrants to write, including a mock petition for a warrant.

[thulfiqaar]

Ooh impressive You make it sound easy but it sure doesn't look easy

[gengis]

wow @Fadi, mashAllah, I know who im calling when i need to get off that speeding fine

Though I think the laws you are speaking about would apply to the states only? Being in Australia I can only assume that it would be different here?

The reason i was asking is I want to play it but i dont want it to be haram if thats the case and I really dont want to buy old school consoles just to playa few zelda games..

[Stanly]

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[Fadi]

wow @Fadi, mashAllah, I know who im calling when i need to get off that speeding fine

Though I think the laws you are speaking about would apply to the states only? Being in Australia I can only assume that it would be different here?

The reason i was asking is I want to play it but i dont want it to be haram if thats the case and I really dont want to buy old school consoles just to playa few zelda games..

Yes, the laws would only apply the the U.S. as I had made sure to point out. Australia is a bit different in many regards... Mod chips for instance if are remember are legal there? Mod chips here are considered copyright infringement if they are loaded with modified bios or even hooks for the bios. The store I bought my Playstation 2 modchip from was actually raided by the FBI several years later for selling chips with modified bios preflashed.

[saqib7]

I grow up playing mario games but never played a single zelda game

[thulfiqaar]

oh zelda a link to the past.... I loved that game on the snes...

[gengis]

yeah its a bit of a mixed bag here though I assume they are legal as there are plenty of shops with them and usually advertisements in the paper about them too.

I guess ill skip it at this stage then as I assume downloading a ROM is like downloading a torrent of the game so it would be haram.

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