The Juma Thread!

[gengis]

I came up with an idea today after Juma prayer. Every friday, list something down from the hutbah for others to learn from

I dont want the whole hutbah in essay form, just a few sentences of something that stood out from this week.

So for me the imam was talking about the responsibility of each muslim living in the west and the importance of honesty and haq. How it is so important that each person does not take the haq of anyone, including non muslims. You cant just rip off a non muslim and think its ok, haq is haq. Non Muslims in the west look at a muslim and see Rasullulah (SAW) so we need to be examples that people admire, not detest.

[saqib7]

Today Our Masjid was about respecting your parents. How Jannah is under your mothers feet plus when The Prophet (s.a.w)
repeated 3 times the mother is most important and then the father.

[s0ndosodn0s]

Reviving this because I just had the same epiphany as gengis and checked if it was already an idea and sure enough it was.

I don't really understand the hutbas, TBH, but my parents debrief afterwards. So this is what was discussed today, amongst other things. Copy/pasted from the interwebs.

"Seven people will be shaded by Allah under His shade on the day when there will be no shade except His.

They are:

1. A just ruler;

2. A young man who has been brought up in the worship of Allah, (i.e. worship Allah (Alone) sincerely from his childhood),

3. A man whose heart is attached to the mosque (who offers the five compulsory congregational prayers in the mosque);

4. Two persons who love each other only for Allah's sake and they meet and part in Allah's cause only;

5. A man who refuses the call of a charming woman of noble birth for an illegal sexual intercourse with her and says: I am afraid of Allah;

6. A person who practices charity so secretly that his left hand does not know what his right hand has given (i.e. nobody knows how much he has given in charity).

7. A person who remembers Allah in seclusion and his eyes get flooded with tears."

So... just something to think about!

[SnakeXT]

Didn't catch somethings the Imam said because my urdu is weak, both in speaking and understanding. Near the end part he mentioned we didn't come to the UK to work (earn money) but spread Islam. I partially agreed. We have to work. Selling Itar/Utar FT to raise a family isn't a job. Its a joke. Being a total devout muslim and trying to spread Islam where people don't want it is asking for trouble.

I would had put it this way. Yes spread Islam wherever and whenever you can but subtly. Let them think about it, don't be persistent. Get a proper job. Keep the beard neat and tidy, although I heard my previous employer say the beard is a little intimidating so I keep it to a stubble. Been on JSA. Its not fun.

[ashes999]

The main idea of today's khutbah was, um, the Titanic. The story is simple:

The Titanic was built as the greatest ship ever (of that time). It was piloted by a super-experienced, veteran sea pilot of some several decades or something. They said, not even God can sink our ship.

And then it sank.

That sinking sparked a wave of 100 years of technological improvement in radio and wireless communication.

Lessons derived from this by the khatib:
- Don't be like the Titanic. Don't think your invincible and invulnerable.
- Plan for contingancies. Bad things happen to even the best plans. (Pack more life-boats.)
- Learn to look at the positives. Every downside (sinking of the Titanic) has up-sides (wifi computers).
- Continuously strive to improve yourself. It only ends when you die. Everything has room to improve.

All this is, of course, founded in our deen, in the concepts of ihsaan. But that's my take on it.

Wallahu a'lam.

[ashes999]

SnakeXT much to say. In summary:
- Scholars have mentioned that living hear without the intention of da'wah is very serious. It's easy to change your intention.
- Subtlety is very limited in its utility -- it only carries you so far.
- Rasulullah (salallahu alayhi wa sallam) was a totally devout Muslim trying to spread Islam where it was unwanted. He did a better job than us.

[ZPE]

Didn't catch somethings the Imam said because my urdu is weak, both in speaking and understanding. Near the end part he mentioned we didn't come to the UK to work (earn money) but spread Islam. I partially agreed. We have to work. Selling Itar/Utar FT to raise a family isn't a job. Its a joke. Being a total devout muslim and trying to spread Islam where people don't want it is asking for trouble.

I would had put it this way. Yes spread Islam wherever and whenever you can but subtly. Let them think about it, don't be persistent. Get a proper job. Keep the beard neat and tidy, although I heard my previous employer say the beard is a little intimidating so I keep it to a stubble. Been on JSA. Its not fun.

Historically, we came here to work in the various factories and mills after the second world war. Just ask your family about that, they'll tell you many stories. Of course, we also brought alongside that our culture and Islam which plays a huge role in many people's lives. I never saw a FT attar seller but if you mean those Islamic bookshops, they're still running in our area after many years. It's not a joke, I'd rather work in those shops than in a bank as the reward from Allah must be immense if you're educating your community about Islam.

Da'wah is required in this climate and everyone has their part to play. Some people are not as thick-skinned as others so they won't be pro-active but please don't undermine the work of these brothers and sisters who pour their heart and soul into this type of work. I don't see a problem with being subtle but having a stubble beard...not quite sure that's the best approach to being closer to the Sunnah of our beloved Prophet (pbuh). Unless of course, you worked as a fire fighter, that's understandable.

[SnakeXT]

I'll say what I said to someone else

It did sound a little out of order the way I said it and i should hold my tongue and be in those brothers/sisters shoes before judging them. but there is some truth. i know working in a place where Allah's reward outweighs working in a haram place but at least im making enough to support my family. In one program I saw a brother on tv selling attar and he had a wife and son to provide..unless he had a proper job which he never mentioned.

[thulfiqaar]

I'm of a similar opinion as SnakeXT

I'm not sure what the ruling is, but I never force religion down people's throat. It's counter productive, second I only take the opportunity to teach people about others by kind of provoking them in to asking me more about my religion.

For example: "Hey guys I got to go for a prayer." Is usually followed by "why do you pray?"

Or "I am about to break my fasting, i'll be right back" is usually followed by "why do you fast and why only once a year?"

Seriously this has almost never failed and people ask about ramadan every year at my work place.

Don't shove it down their throat, just tickle their curiousity and they will come to you. Otherwise they will just try to avoid you each time you come in. "oh uh quick it's zain, lets go somewhere else before he talks our ears off about islam."

[Rizwan1]

If you try imposing your beliefs on someone it will only push them further away.

[ashes999]

We're not talking about imposing beliefs, we're talking about the misconception "if I'm a good Muslim, it's the best da'wah." It's ridiculous. It has some truth in it; yet direct da'wah is, sooner or later, the way that actually gets results.

Anyways, let's not hijack the jumuah thread. What did you guys find out in jumuah Rizwan1 thulfiqaar?

[thulfiqaar]

I didn't go yesterday, so unfortunately I have nothing to add.

[ScrollTro0L]

I don't remember if this was from Dars or Jummah from long ago, but I loved it.

Regarding Da'wah and this leaning towards Jihad:

The combat-jihad is how we defend the lands and lives of the Muslims. If we want to "invade" a region and spread islam, Allah has also authorized, out of His Mercy & Wisdom, for us an offensive Jihad.

This offensive Jihad for Muslims is Da'wah.

[thulfiqaar]

*EDIT*

I'll confirm before posting.

[ashes999]

Let's not go into this too much further, this is a red-flag topic if you live in the west (CSIS/FBI, anyone?) and it's better not to speak if you don't know for sure if what you're saying is right or wrong.

Besides, it's thread hijacking.

Anyone who's interested further can look up the history of the ummah after the death of rasulullah (salallahu alayhi wa sallam) until, hm, 50 years or so. During the khilafa of Umar, many places were conquered (not invaded, conquered). The Muslims left behind some people to be the leaders, they left behind some Qur'an teachers, and they said "go on with your lives as usual," and they were gone.

Most of the people embraced Islam either through a) the amazing character and manners of the Muslims, or b) learning about the Qur'an.

So check yourself and your facts, it's all there in the history, and those were the khulafa ar-rashideen and the best ummah. If some other Muslim leaders invaded and forced people to enter Islam, well, that's just wrong, friends.

Wallahu a'lam.