Islam and Magic

[SnakeXT]

What are your thoughts on the game Majicka? Its mixing the natural elements like earth, wind, fire, water etc and coming up with different variances of combos to defeat enemies. I played this game a few times with a friend and had a good laugh. There is a spell called "crash to desktop" which basically eliminates the enemy or your character if you're not careful completely out of the game. Having said that, there is a spell to bring a player back into the game if he used that spell or got killed fighting.

Add to that I have a cousin sister, her sister's husband is a palm reader. Man makes sh-- loads of money for reading palms. Whether they come true or not I don't know but that's wrong I would imagine.

[ashes999]

Yeah palm reading, crystal balls, etc. is all done through jinns. It's all shirk, which is the unforgivable (if you die without repenting) sin, and it an potentially make you a mushrik (to commit an act of shirk). This is a complicated topic, so let's not go there anymore -- suffice to say, stay away from people who do these things.

As for Majicka, Allah knows best.

[ashes999]

Rizwan1 if you don't know, ask someone who knows -- nobody here on the forums probably knows for sure. I would ask at AskTheShaykh.com, and if so, make the question generic to playing games that contain things that are haram to do in real life.

[asfandyar]

Judging from your first post I thought you meant it as in linked with games. As for magic in real life, it is haram to practice magic, but to learn magic as to counter any magic is apparently halal according to my brother. He said there is a lot more to it and it would mean having to write quite a bit about it, which he doesn't mind doing, but not yet. He is busy with preparing for lectures and is doing his own research on other subjects.

Salaam,

Sorry to jump in at this point, but I think your brother may have made a mistake. Learning magic for any purpose - offensive or defensive - is haraam, because of the nature of magic:

magic (in Islaam) = please a Jinn, he does stuff for you

http://islamqa.info/en/ref/4010/magic

Be it either offensive or defensive, you can see it is haraam by this right? Because the Jinn doesn't really have any power, it is just messing with your mind making you do disgusting things like drinking blood or writing shirki statements on bits of paper, etc.

From what I remember of a course, Jinn use the promise of magic to humiliate humans, because they are jealous that we are superior to them, so they make us do disgusting and evil things in return for favours.

As for magic in games, consider the following: a cleric prays to his god to heal 33hp of health on his buddy, the god responds and heals 33hp on the cleric's buddy. But since even the game developers believe this is not real, the game isn't promoting kufr and shirk so, while it may be haraam to play this game depending on your opinion, it can't be counted as being involved in kufr and shirk. That's my reasoning, obviously every one has to make their own judgements

Salaams all. Regards,
Asfand Yar

[thulfiqaar]

Asfandyar I know learning magic is haram, I misunderstood. Sorry I totally forgot to update this after I asked him.

[saniam]

We must say which magic is specifically haram. Magic has so many various references. Let's talk about magic in reality show. I think it's not haram because the magicians doing with tricks and illusion. It can be explained scientifically although it is looked liked so magical. It can be also haram if the are doing tricks with the help of jinn, if not then it's not prohibited. I believe like the magicians can fly without help of jinn is possible. Alchemy can be called magic too. Some said that alchemy is science magic (alchemy is not haram, right?). Word "alchemy" is come from middle east. And some people born with spiritual power inside him (it's possible for some people and it does not communicate with demon) can heal people wound and disease by hands, this can be called magic too. So basically magic terms had its branches. For the games, ask the game developers themselves how the magic mechanism work in their games and match it with the law of Islam, but most of the games comes from imagination and fantasy so it's not really a big deal. This is only just my point of view about magic.

[SnakeXT]

Im sure you've heard of Dynamo Magician Impossible?

He does this matrix style levitation beyond the point where you'd think he's going to fall backwards. He then lifts one leg in the air making it impossible to comprehend how he did it. Unties his shoe lace, shakes his trainer and it ties itself. Levitating a guitar with no support. Reverses a cup of tea into water, with the tea bag. And so on...

Impossible it may seem, help from Jinns. Possible. Very likely.

[Fadi]

Im sure you've heard of Dynamo Magician Impossible?

He does this matrix style levitation beyond the point where you'd think he's going to fall backwards. He then lifts one leg in the air making it impossible to comprehend how he did it. Unties his shoe lace, shakes his trainer and it ties itself. Levitating a guitar with no support. Reverses a cup of tea into water, with the tea bag. And so on...

Impossible it may seem, help from Jinns. Possible. Very likely.

In regards to 'stage magicians', I'm going to have to say "a simpler explanation is better than a more complex one". At least in popularized 'magic shows', they're illusionists doing just that... a trick done where the audiences eyes don't watch. I personally wouldn't classify those as actual magic.

The 'tea into water' one for instance is rather old and uses chemical reaction as it's basis.

Image cap a book linked below (also spoiler warning): http://i.imgur.com/3JZNr.png
Source: http://books.google.com/books?id=yJwCBb ... ck&f=false

The series 'Breaking the Magician's Code' from the mid-'90s went through a huge variety of popular illusions... The majority of them were just as the above, clever tricks done by someone who received training in how to act covertly.

A factor almost as important as that training, however, was that the it could only be accomplished successfully so long as audience was susceptible to the ideas and rhetoric of the person carrying out the illussion. In my opinion, that unwavering belief in the words of a trickster is more dangerous and damning than the actual illusion itself and should be reason enough to avoid it.

Palm reading and such... considering the rhetoric of people who practice it is that they act as "intermediaries"... well, I don't think anything needs to be said there since it throws up rather blatant red flags.

[gengis]

aye agree with Fadi on this one, any stage magic has a trick, its an illusion, not magic

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Magic is haram but world of aircraft magic is not the same thing.

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